Hey guys,
I'm extremely new to photography and would absolutely love to learn the art of it. I was wondering if you could advise me on which camera to pick -- I have had no experience except for chasing my friends with disposables. Mainly I'm interested in making black and white photos of "artsy" things but.. that may be too soon for me to think about? Anyway, camera advise?
Sony AFAIK don't have any film cameras. Try Canon, Nikon, Minolta or Pentax SLRs and you can't really go wrong.
I ended up getting something from my father - something we bought back when we lived in Japan - it's by Canon.. nothing too fancy - but it does the job!
when you have the money you can buy the dslr, and give the P&S to your wife ...... lol
Funny that's exactly what I did, When she bought me my d50 I gave her my Canon Powershot A60.
Hi Rogue. Welcome to the forum. I agree with Thorhammer in that you can start with a mid-range point and shoot camera and do a lot of work with it. There are amazing photographers on here who use a point and shoot (Verbal :hail:).
The advantage of this is before you invest a lot of money in a DSLR you will have a better idea of features that you want to look for.
As for cameras..... well.... Canon of course! :lol:
Canon Digital Cameras (http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ProductCatIndexAct&fcategoryid=113)
I've been using the 7-megapixel version of that Sony Cybershot for just over a week now and can recommend it as a very good point & shoot. Images can be a tiny bit soft but with 7-megapixel and unsharp mask that shouldn't be a problem. Red-eye is sometimes a problem with flash but that too shouldn't be a problem since you know Photoshop. As far as making 'art' is concerned it doesn't really matter what camera you use - just go into the Photographic Discussion forum and see one of the many, many, many threads on that subject. When it comes to range of manual controls however, there are better cameras than the Cybershot. It only has a range of 2 apertures at any given focal length; e.g. f/2.8 or f/5.6 at widest angle, f/3.5 or f/7.1 at mid-zoom, f/5.2 or f/10 at full zoom. On the other hand it has a full complement of shutter speeds up to 1/1000. Overall I'd recommend it; you may not have complete control over exposure but at least you can improve your composition (I find LCD screens great for this).
If you're mainly interested in black and white, I'm tempted to say go for film instead, but I may get shouted at by some :)
If you're mainly interested in black and white, I'm tempted to say go for film instead, but I may get shouted at by some
SHOUT SHOUT SHOUT. Not really.
I agree with LWW. Gety a film slr with a 50mm to start with. Better to learn the (relatively) hard way to start with than learn how to use the easy then the hard. If you do the hard you can do the easy anyway.
The 'Art' of Photography has nothing to do with choice of camera.
The only important thing is to choose the one that feels right so go into a good camera store and handle lots.
As for digital or film - toss a coin. ;)
Plus you can pick one up for the same price as a single memory stick for a digicam.
Indeed. A lot is going to depend on you. Film might cost more to use, but is a lot cheaper up-front. Digital vs. film is a wash. Your choice will depend a lot on what kind of workflow you want to be involved in.
What kind of price range are you looking at? You could get a $15 medium format Holga or spend several thousand on a digital SLR.
I am going to go anti here and say buy a decent Nikon/Canon/Olympus/Minolta 35 mm SLR and a 50 mm lens of f2.0 or faster and a top shutter speed of at least 1/1,000 of a second.
I was about to suggest the same thing. I started off with a Minolta X-570 SLR and think it's a great way to start off if you're interested in going the film route.
http://www.sds.com/mug/x-570.html
I remember attending the free half day photography class the store gave me when I purchased the camera and the teacher, a guy in his late 50's who had spent many years as a pro-photog, kept singling my camera and another girl's camera out ...as we were the only ones with the older SLR's and he enjoyed the fact that we were trying to learn the art of photography without all the 'whiz-bang features' of new cameras. Kept telling the class that if they could master a good, basic film camera then capturing great images on the newer, more expensive cameras would be par-for-the-course.
I will add though, I took many a roll of film at the beginning ( and it still happens now occassionally ) where the pictures didnt turn out: blurry,underexposed,overexposed, too grainy etc etc and I was frustrated ( not to mention that I spent good money on film and developing ) but it forced me to go back to the drawing board and take another go at it and really think about the images I wanted to capture.
As, each shot is money right.
There are so many good choices in manual focus 35 MM cameras...Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Mamiya, Pentax, Minolta, Kodak, Exakta...and if you buy right and with a little luck you can make money a few years down the road if you want to upgrade.
LWW
Heh, good thing I used to teach photoshop so I know my way around that program. So.. for starting out I guess I'll be getting the sony cybershot then later on advance to more "advanced" cameras.
I am going to go anti here and say buy a decent Nikon/Canon/Olympus/Minolta 35 mm SLR and a 50 mm lens of f2.0 or faster and a top shutter speed of at least 1/1,000 of a second. A second lens that I wouldn't buy right away would be a 35 mm f2.8 or 28 mm f2.8 and then a zoom of something like 70-210 and an f4.0 aperture. Then I would buy a dedicated flash. Used you can put the whole thing together for under $500.00 and have stuff that will resell well and perform quite well.
The best thing IMHO you can learn is that the lens isn't what actually "sees" the photo first...it's either the photographer or the camera's brain. Learning photography is largely learning to see and then then learning how something looks in a print compared to how it looks when it was shot.
Learning to see and be able to come up with a rough approzimation of exposure just from the eyeball is IMHO critical. Being able to do this gives you the ability to anayze in real time the exposure that the camera's brain determines and relating it to your mental image of the shot. If you can't follow the data it provides it may as well provide none.
Consider that if you are shooting outside in bright daylight you could use the sunny 16 rule and shoot at, or bumped 1, the film speed at f16.0. So 400 spd film would shoot correctly at 1/500 at f16. 1/1,000 at f11.0, 1/2,000 at f8.0 1/4,000 at f5.6, 1/8,000 at f4.0 would all also be correct exposure values. 1/250 at f22.0 and 1/125 at f32.0 would also be accurate. 7 exposures and 7 different photos, all with correct exposure...only 1 is the way you "see" it.
Starting with such a basic camera and 50 mm lens will force you to learn to see in advance. Other than maybe a center weighted meter and a depth of field preview, which is a great learning aid, you won't have much to hold your hand.
LWW
thanks for all the feedback... keep in mind I am a hardcore noob so be careful with the usage of the terms :p I still don't know half of the things you guys said such as shutter or that f/2.8 stuff... so basic summary: canon or sony camera that works with film? Yes? :D
You can go with different types of film SLR. Older Ones or Newer ones.
Canon has two lens mounts. Lenses before 1987(78?) used the FD mount and only fit cameras with that mount. After that Canon used and still uses the EF mount. All Canon EOS cameras use this. Ef lenses work with the newest digital SLR released by canon as well as there 80s and after film SLRs.
Nikon has used the same mount forever (maybe not literally but for decades). Which means that a 30 year old lens will work on the Nikon D2X.
I'm not sure about Minolta or Pentax but they both. someone else can fill you in.
I would say get a digital and get photoshop cs2. you can get something like a 5mp sony cybershot that has manual controls and excellent optics for around 220.00
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2004_reviews/w1.html
youd be suprised what you can do with that camera.....
Or you can save up and get a dslr for 700 - 1200 $
If you plan on seriously getting into it, you can bypass the 200.00 point and shoot, but there is a middle road....
you can buy a good point and shoot used for like 150 and learn on it and with photoshop... it will take you a few months to get good.... in the meantime you are saving money, expiramenting and researching dslrs....
when you have the money you can buy the dslr, and give the P&S to your wife ...... lol
Minolta has Auto Focus and Manual Focus lenses, which are not compatible. Pentax's K-mount lens has also lasted a good long while, and with K-mount cameras and K-mount lenses I'm not aware of any compatibility problems with the sole exception of the *ist (35mm version) which is annoying because it looks like a great camera. The Pentax K-mount can also be found on SLRs by Ricoh, Centon, Vivitar and others, which may not be quite as nice but will do the job. Go back a bit further and you can use the M42 mount, which was also used on older Praktica and Fujica as well as various other makes of SLR.
Also, I just realised in my list of good SLR-makers I left out Olympus. For which I should probably be locked up. Zuiko lenses and the better Olympus SLRs are very, very nice indeed.
I've not mentioned Leica, Contax or some others because I'm assuming you don't want to spend big mountains of cash right away. If I'm wrong on that count, they're worth considering too.
I'll second the K or M42 mount cameras, and the Olympus OM1 or OM2. I have a Mamiya M42 mount with 55mm that I picked up for under $50 on eBay.
 I could use some help again...
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